Posted by Johan Andersson on March 08, 1997 at 13:59:07:
In Reply to: Some clarifications about pork and Ladonian finances. posted by Gunnar Jarl, HDKPPTQ on March 08, 1997 at 11:29:10:
: Some Ladonian subjects have questioned the decency and
: appropriateness of the Queens actions.
: First of all I want to thank those individuals for bringing
: this issue of business up, giving me the opportunity to
: stand up for the Queen and take the time to shed light on
: this issue of great concern.
: The faulty perception of the Queens intent was that she
: was doing "porky" business on the board. The person who
: insulted the Queen this way lacks an insight in financial
: issues.
: We must remember that all Ladonians still live in countries
: where the financial system is built on the idea of constant
: exponential growth and making money on interest and compound
: interest. The theories of dealing with money this way should
: not actually be called economy but rather chrematistics
: according to Lilia Calmér in Fodelse och foraldraskap, a
: swedish homebirthers Magazine. Economy is thus only the
: science of house-keeping, i.e. how we deal with the resources
: on the earth or in a smaller ecologic community.
: In nature no never-ending exponential growth takes place.
: That's why the chrematistic way of dealing with resources
: is so devastating to the ecosystems, locally and globally.
: The chrematistic system simply does not fit in to the way
: life is evolving on the planet.
: Doing ecological farming in Sweden or any other country on
: the planet is doing economy in a chrematistic system. A
: consequence is that the ecological farmer mostly sells the
: products at loss. So does the Queen. Even at the relatively
: high price of 45 sek/kg she just makes up to the costs of
: the production and makes no profit (read no salary). Should
: she sell at a lower price she would sell each pig at loss.
: The loss has to be covered. Naturally by making chrematistic
: money in some other way. Obviously, in the long run, this
: will not work.
: If you, the consumer, choose to buy the royal flesh, paying
: a fair price, you will contribute to the possibility that
: smallscale ecological agriCULTURE is sustained. If you choose
: to buy the cheap flesh offered at throwaway prices in the big
: stores you will only support the large-scale agroINDUSTRY
: that is evolving in horrifying dimensions today (I'm talking
: about millions of pigs produced in one totally computorized
: agroindustrial company, already existing in the USA).
: If you read this far you may now realize that we have to
: start dealing with how financial politics should be run
: in Ladonia. Should we have a chrematistic system or an
: economic system or could we include both? The fact that
: we only pay taxes by contributing our creativity supports
: the idea of economy. Some citizens have expressed an urge
: to start businesses in Ladonia. We must however keep in
: mind that unregulated chrematistic production may have
: fatal effects on nature. Sandor Posvari has recently pointed
: out to us the ecological disaster of the slovakian rerouting
: of the Danube for the production of electric power. This
: disaster is as all other ecological tragedies on the planet
: basically a consequense of chrematistics.
: Gunnar Jarl of Bjoerksaeter, HDKPPTQ
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: Non scholae sed vitae discimus
Dear Gunnar Jarl of Björksäter
Just some reflections on your defence of the "pork" business.
I can agree that you on Her majesty the Queen are true idealists;
thats what you really are traying to say, though in a mystified
way. Ecological minded people are true heroes in this furious
time of mass-consumption. However, speaking in my privat role as
a business economist, I would say that your defence of conventional
business, even though ecological, is somewhat problematic. In fact
you are blurring the borders of Ladonia with your problems, problems
that don't exist in Ladonia. If your'e "pork" business was situated
in Ladonia, then we would have had to think about the problems that
would arise. Most problably the people would ask your firm to move to
some neighbouring country, alongside with your financial troubles. But
this is not the case, as far as I can see. Then there is no problem, is
there. Your rhetorical move is classical, first creating a problem out
of nothing, then forcing the people to choose between heaven and hell.
Our Minister of Property, has been threatening to open a Factory for
sulphuric acid in Mare Jenny. Thats what I call a problem.
Ladonia is not going to be a name round the neck of some happy pig, sold
for örtugs, and then slaughtered in a friendly and humanistic manner.
Best regards to Queen Ywonne I Jarl