Posted by Aegir Sonatorrek on December 18, 1998 at 08:02:37:
In Reply to: Re: Reply to "Re: Nobility, Ministry, etc" posted by Terry Leoni on December 18, 1998 at 07:15:49:
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: : : : To clarify my situation:
: : : : I am a Ladonian citizen. I have my passport. However, when I applied for citizenship, I also applied for nobility. I never received anything on it. I'm looking to become a Lord. Also, I have sent a proposal for the creation of a Ministry of Transportation and me as the Minister. I would like anyone who can help me to reply in either an e-mail or on the message board.
: : : : Sincerely
: : : : Matthew Sinclair
: : : : Ladonian Citizen
: : : : Noblility hopeful
: : : : Minister in the works
: : : How can you think that it is so simple to become a lord? It is not something that you simply request and it is given to you. Have you referenced the Ladonian Nobility page yet? You either pay for a noble title or you do enough that perhaps one will magically come your way. If you are an American, like myself, why should you want a title anyway? It is against the law to declare it, and it seems rather old-fashioned anyway. I have been a member of Ladonia for two years, all that time as foreign minister, I am a cabinet member, I seek to expand Ladonia's insight in the world's affairs. However, through it all I have never deemed it worthy to become a member of the nobility. I am not one to raise my hand in salute of a noble, for I am an American. These Ladonian lords and ladies are not my superiors, they are my peers. These colleagues have the same goals as I do, they have the same intentions. If a title is all you are after in Ladonia, I wonder just what your real intentions for Ladonia are.
: : : John Parman
: : : Ladonian Foreign Minister
: : First, not to be disrespectful, I know that noble titles cost money. I am not stupid. And as for my reason to have it, I am 15 years old. I think it would simply sound cool to say that I am a lord. I never believed that I would become superior to other Ladonians. It was an image. About my intentions for Ladonia...I believe that Ladonia is very unique. Although there are other micronations in the world, I think Ladonia is the most interesting. I became a citizen of Ladonia to be PART of Ladonia. I wish to become involved with Ladonia, which is exactly why I am looking for a ministry to run. I also may become a member of parliament. Most of these things, save perhaps the noble title, are to help Ladonia and to help its citizens.
: : Signed
: : Matthew Sinclair
: Matthew,
: The 13th amendment was never radified on this subject as far as I know. Also, when you buy a title it was not given to you. You might ask an offical. I believe recieving a title and buying are not the same thing. If you find out let me know also.
Invalid US Constitutional prohibition against acceptance of titles of
nobility: "If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive,
or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall, without the consent of
Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of
any kind whatsoever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power,
such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be
incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of
them." (Amendment XIII). There is an extremist view that this
Amendment was actually validly ratified on the basis that it was
necessary for only the thirteen original states existing when the
amendment was introduced to do so (twelve eventually ratified it), rather
than the eighteen states which had joined the union by the time the
ratifcation process was underway (three rejected it, two took no action
and one did not reply). The view that it was never ratified and did not
become part of the Constitution is well-argued.